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    Subject Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by placebo (Hive Addict)  
    Posted on 07-05-00 06:04  
    Post No 24686  
   
Ok, this is an amalgamation of many peoples methods!
I beleive this to be the best, simplest, fastest, and cleanest method for producing meth-amphetamine,
in the highest yeilds possible for RP/I2/E reaction!
Remember, each and every step gives small losses, and this method has the least steps!
It is a culmination of efforts by, Worlock, CHEMMAN, and maybe a few tiny touches by me!
I re-iterate, I don't want any congratulations except for the write-up itself!

You will need these things, and no substitutions allowed!
If you can't get this shit, you aint ready to make the best Go-Go in town!
This is a refinement of all methods, and the next step up from Push Pull,
But nobody should be dicouraged from attempting this, as you will probably find it easier!
PH paper, isn't even necessary!

This post is one method from Go to Whoah!
This post has to be followed from GO to Whoah!
Otherwise you can run into trouble, as povidone is not removed in this extraction!
It will be removed at the end! Each step was chosen to compliment the next!
Understand?
Read on Doggs.....

Index:
1: Equipment
2: Reagents
3: Extraction of pfed
4: Reaction
5: Steam distillation
6: Crystallisation

Equipment:
Various jars
2L pyrex vessel
2L 2 neck round flat bottom flask
1 condenser, I reccomend a coil condenser but a liebig will suffice!
1 sloping splashhead or better still, a steam distillation sloping splashhead!
A steam pressure cooker, that has releif valve at top
Hotplate, electric of course!
Filter paper, Bucner and vacuum would be nice too!
thermometer
1 glass stopper
lengths of clear pvc tubing
Pot with vegetable oil, that can fit your reaction vessel

Reagents:
Iodine crystals
Red Phosphorous
Pseudo-ephedrine, or ephedrine
Methanol
Toluene
Acetone
NaOH
All must be clean and anhydrous!
Ice

Extraction of pfed,
Ok, this method will deal with the Hcl salt of pfed, and a streamlined version of "the cure"!
All pills are dumped into a large jar and double the volume of methanol poured on top!
This is stirred vigourously and let to settle, in the fridge seems to speed it up!
After top methanol layer has cleared it is carefully decanted off.
This procedure is repeated 3 times.
All methanol pulls are put together and reduced on a hotplate.
As methanol gets down to last little bit, it is taken off heat
Then a portion of acetone, twice your remaing liquid is dropped in.
This forces the pfed crystals to crash out.
Then remaining liquid is carefully evaped off.

Now you have your crude/dirty pfed Hcl.
Next we will be doing successive toluene washes
So put your pfed crystals in a pyrex (heat proof glass)
Now add toluene to a safe level that can be lightly boiled on hotplate
After about 5 mins boiling with stirring.
Take off heat and let settle a minute.
Now carefully pour off toluene into a filter to catch any remnants of pfed that may follow.
Now if you get the toluene that has our contaminents in it and add some water
You will see the crap crash from the toluene into the water
This is the crap that came thru with the methanol pull!

So as we continue to do multiple toluene washes,
We will continue to test the toluene after pouring it off,
To see how we are progressing with the cleanup!
When we have reached a point where no crap comes out of the toluene,
With the addition of water, then we are ready to try acetone!
Usually about 3 boils in toluene, but of course it depends how much your using!
So, as before we will add a portion of acetone and boil lightly!
Now when we pour off the acetone, we will add a tiny amount of water and some NaOH
This is our final test, when you do this and no crap falls out of acetone you are ready!

This will be the cleanest pfed you have ever seen, guarenteed!
AND, yeilds should be >90% if your careful! 95% is good

Reaction,
Smallest reaction to be attempted, especially by newbees, is 1oz of pfed!
So that even taking into account sloppiness, lack of experience and losses along the way
You should get some product!
Ratios of reagents are,
3:3:1 or 1:1:1/3
ie.E:I:RP aka, equal amounts of Iodine and pfed, and a third as much RP! Comprenda! This is calculated on a weight basis, and can be scaled up or down as necessary, e.g.60gmE/60gmI2/20gmRP or 120gmE/120gmI2/40gmRP etc etc!

Ok first prepare yourself an icebath! Yes icecubes and water in a sink or bucket!
Now, many will say you should add this first or that first!
Well after much reading of different peoples methods, I say....
Chuck the whole shebang in together, while your flask is on ice,
Lift and swirl ingredients together, while maintaing on ice!
Put your condenser on top and start water running thru, from bottom to top!
Now, the idea is to get the reaction going in the most controlled way possible.
Now you want to let reagents react in the icebath, if at all,
Then move vessel from icebath to room temp,
If things look like they're going too fast, put back in ice bath,
You want to keep the reaction going but only at a nice slow, controlled pace!
This is also necessary to control vapour in the condenser!
Thick and or dis-colored smoke is bad! and plumes of smoke will escape from condenser
As things progress at a nice slow pace, as things slow too much you can start applying heat!
So prepare an oilbath and bring to about 50c, now if there is no more action in your vessel
You can move it to the oilbath, and same as before, when things slow down,
Adjust heat up, to say 100c then 150c for one hour, to make sure reaction has completed
The whole time you should be watching to keep a nice reflux going,
and not too much vapour is escaping from condenser!

Now remove from heat and disconnect condenser,
Now add ice water to quench reaction,
reason for ice water is to calm the reaction down when NaOH is added
Now its up to you if you want to filter out RP or leave till the end
I would leave it, it will be washed nicely by next process and be easier to filter!
Now add lots of NaOH to bring reaction mix to positive 14PH
You cannot over-basify as meth won't be destroyed, its a tough MF!

Steam Distillation,
Now you need to set up your glassware for steam distillation!
So attach steam distillation sloping splashhead to top hole of flask!
Now attach plastic hose to steam inlet and other end,
on release valve of pressure cooker that is full of water!
Now attach condenser on end of splashhead, and rig up some kind of prop for it to stay up!
Now place a jar at the end of condenser to catch our distillate!
Now you want to heat both the pressure cooker, and the reaction flask!
Now sit back and get ready for one of the most beautiful sites and smells!
The meth freebase that is sitting on the top of your aqueous layer in flask
will vapourise and be carried across and be condensed in the condenser and trickle down into your jar
It will sit atop a bottom layer of water!
After the last of the oil has come across, change jars and leave the setup to run for another hour
Just to make sure you got it all!
Any povidone from the pills will be stuck behind in the reaction vessel
It has been noted that some polymer that may have been left from extraction, may follow the steam!


Crystallisation,
So, now we have a jar of water, with this sweet clear oil sitting on top!
Now options are to add Hcl acid slowly with stirring until oil layer disappears
and then evap the whole lot to get crystals!
Or, as I found, you may have some polymer that has come over with the steam
and is now sitting in the water layer, and it looks cloudy!
So I don't want to evap all that, it will just concentrate the shit in there
(plus its very time consuming evapping water, plus you risk losing some meth as the water evaps)
So, I think you should just throw a little toluene into jar,
and then seperate!
Now your absolutly pure meth freebase is in your toluene!
Now you can either gas, for instant clean meth, or
Add minimal DH2O and then acidify to PH7, shake, seperate and evap water for crystals!
repeat this step if you do it this way, as some more may come in second go!

Now with this process from start to finish, you shouldn't need to re-crystallise
As your product should be the cleanest shit anybody has ever seen anyway!
But you may want to for the purpose of growing nice big crystals!
In which case, add just enough hot methanol to dissolve all your meth
and then place in freezer.
The secret is, the slower the evap, the bigger the crystals!
So a nice slow room temp evap over several days might be fun!

Enjoy, and do not attempt anything above, before you completely understand what you are doing!
You must have a sound understanding of the basics first!


One Pissed Bee!
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by Synthman (Hive Bee)  
    Posted on 07-05-00 13:23  
    Post No 24861  
   
Am I to be the only one to congratulate placebo on his efforts? Even if you don't cook, he took time out in order to further a cause.

I love your disclaimers, placebo:
"do not attempt anything above, before you completely understand what you are doing!". Take a lesson from CHEM_GUY.



Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you.
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by Mister_Clean (Hive Bee)  
    Posted on 07-05-00 17:53  
    Post No 24916  
   
Very nice write up placebo. rp/I is not really my thing, but it looks like you have really put together something good here.

 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by Stonium (Moderator)  
    Posted on 07-05-00 18:51  
    Post No 24928  
   
Yeah, nice writeup, placeblo.

Your trademark should be an exclamation point! You use enough of them in your writing!

Silly,
Stonium

 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by placebo (Hive Addict)  
    Posted on 07-05-00 19:54  
    Post No 24945  
   
Don't tease!

One Pissed Bee!
 
   
 
   
    Subject Post deleted by catmandoo   Reply  
    Posted by catmandoo (Stranger)  
    Posted on 07-07-00 22:18  
    Post No 25811  
   
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by CHEM_GUY (Hive Bee)  
    Posted on 07-08-00 03:33  
    Post No 25889  
   
The only improvement I say to better the quality of the write up was to include if the ratio of E:I2:RP was molar, or by weight, or by volume... These are things that people new to this procedure ask.

Read my Disclaimer. http://chemguy.homestead.com/disclaimer.html
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by placebo (Hive Addict)  
    Posted on 07-08-00 17:44  
    Post No 26150  
   
Done, thanks for your perusal!

One horny Bee!
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by tbeenz (Hive Bee)  
    Posted on 07-09-00 18:34  
    Post No 26575  
   
i must say wicked wright up placebo
one thing when you rig up the setup
for steam distillation do you run water in the condenser
many thanks o master bee

bisssssss busssssss
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by placebo (Hive Addict)  
    Posted on 07-10-00 18:34  
    Post No 26926  
   
Of course!

One horny Bee!
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by oilman (Newbee)  
    Posted on 07-12-00 00:00  
    Post No 27474  
   
Placebo,Hows it goin mate,WellI must say that I now have this little recipe printed out nicely for my dreamin in compact form.Just like a little note book for quick reference.
I too noticed polymer come through after steam distillation, so I solvent pull,run through magnesium sulphate and then gas

Oilman

 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by CHEMMAN (Hive Bee)  
    Posted on 07-12-00 02:12  
    Post No 27506  
   
Hi fellas.We all know that that polymer shit is super soluble in acetone.We also know that MHCL is totally insoluble in acetone.So why not use the process of recrystallisation to your advantage.
We have an oil and water layer with polymer.Ph it, evap it down to like treakle.DONT BURN THE LOT.
Add excess acetone.This does several things.It pulls the water out and makes it crystallise like all fuck, and all that polymer shit goes bye bye into the acetone.
Dont use it as an easy way out for the other stuff placebo has taught you . It will not rescue garbage , as the L******e cooks found out the hard way. hahahahahah

 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by Stonium (Moderator)  
    Posted on 07-12-00 04:41  
    Post No 27548  
   
I agree wholeheartedly with CHEMMAN on that!

Stonium

 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by GED (Newbee)  
    Posted on 07-12-00 08:20  
    Post No 27624  
   

All this talk of polymers has me confused ( nothing new ) The Cure, Extractomania etc are said to remove "polymers" but not Povidone.
My info is that Povidone is a "water soluable polymer plastic" and the primary ingredient in hair spray. Spray Povidone "aka PVP" + H2O on hair, H2o evaps to leave plastic coated hair.
First hand experience shows that Providone is soluable in MeOH and acetone washes don"t get rid of it.
So, is there yet another polymer in these pills that the "Cure" is removing ?
Povidone is showing up in more and more pills, including generics ( non Warner-Lamberts )

 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by placebo (Hive Addict)  
    Posted on 07-12-00 10:55  
    Post No 27662  
   
yes

One horny Bee!
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by simonsays7 (Stranger)  
    Posted on 07-12-00 16:05  
    Post No 27755  
   
Nice write up Placebo!!!!
Question how much water do you use in the reaction for say an oz of E. I presume the water should be added all at once as well?

 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by placebo (Hive Addict)  
    Posted on 07-12-00 16:14  
    Post No 27757  
   
None, but I use ever so slightly damp I2 and thats perfect amount of moisture, but assuming very dry reagents, I would put maybe 5mL per oz of E.

One horny Bee!
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by HAZMAT (Stranger)  
    Posted on 07-18-00 18:18  
    Post No 29930  
   
WOW!!!! that smell, is it my imagination?
nope, it's my freezer, well, what do we have here????
whoah, glad i went there.
thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

goto hell dea, you fucked up my life.
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by placebo (Hive Addict)  
    Posted on 08-15-00 22:47  
    Post No 41125  
   
Another tip, after gassing and filtering product, put toluene into freezer overnight, and find a surprise in the morning to increase your yeilds.
SWIM did this recently to find an extra 5gm!!! Whoopee!!!
Makes me cringe at all the times SWIM thru it out after gassing and filtering!
<--If I put this here, people think I'm joking instead of a cunt!
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by PVnRT_NC8 (FMAN)  
    Posted on 08-15-00 23:16  
    Post No 41134  
   
very interesting point of view I will reconsider some processes now that I  have a fifty five gallon drum of tone at my greedy disposal<<<<<<<,,,,,,,,,heheheh
A010
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by spectrum (Stranger / Eraser)  
    Posted on 08-29-00 09:52  
    Post No 46415  
   
I am not complaining that the instructions provided are not complete, but it would be nice for somone with the abilities to post more details on, specificaly; does anyone have some photos of what this setup looks like? What is the need for a 2 neck flask as opposed to a single neck flask? What is a steam distillation sloping splashhead (this i cant find in any scientific equip website)? What is a buncer and where is it used? Will yeild increase with a coil condenser or will a liebig just take longer? Are any chems hard to get? How much should i pay for all of this gear?

Spectrum
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by Rxn_Jackson (Newbee / Eraser)  
    Posted on 08-29-00 10:16  
    Post No 46423  
   
    I thought that you was supposed to use .8 RP 1.0 E and 1.2-1.5 on I2. I could be wrong, but thats whats swim uses in his dreams....
Now, excuse me while I Multi-Task.......
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by placebo (i always talk like this!!)  
    Posted on 08-29-00 15:55  
    Post No 46533  
   
Spectrum,
You need to do a lot more reading buddy, lots more, then you can come back and answer your own questions.

Rxn_Jackson,
In reply to:

I thought that you was supposed to use .8 RP 1.0 E and 1.2-1.5 on I2.


Don't think, just do as I tell you! Ratios vary depending on many variables, such as....
Size of rxn,
quality of reagents,
Desired speed of rxn,
Whether heat wil be used,
etc etc etc.

Just use what I have listed, it works, I guarantee it! I would not have written it if it didn't! Do you think I made a typo with those figures? I wrote them for a reason. Despite what "you think", these figures have been pretty standard for HI/RP for many moons. Read around and you'll see. When you have a reasonable understanding of the rxn, one can adjust ratios depending on the specific variables in play. By all means use whatever ratios you like, but be prepared to waste reagents unnecessarily, and or fuck the rxn due to it going too fast or too slow. In fact literature shows that with a reflux ratios can go very extreme and have as little as 5-10% RP. But again, this is not suitable for this rxn, as with this write-up we are trying to acheive a symbiotic (don't know WTF?)balance between the speed of a P/P, with the yeilds of a classic 36 hour reflux. So ratios are worked out to acheive a nice fast rxn without losing control and going too fast which leads to broken molecules (smashed ephedrine) and lowered yield.
Do you understand, or have I just typed all this shit for nothing?
Where's FMAN?



Where is my delete button?? huh?
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by placebo (i always talk like this!!)  
    Posted on 08-29-00 15:56  
    Post No 46534  
   
Spectrum,
You need to do a lot more reading buddy, lots more, then you can come back and answer your own questions.

Rxn_Jackson,
In reply to:

I thought that you was supposed to use .8 RP 1.0 E and 1.2-1.5 on I2.


Don't think, just do as I tell you! Ratios vary depending on many variables, such as....
Size of rxn,
quality of reagents,
Desired speed of rxn,
Whether heat wil be used,
etc etc etc.

Just use what I have listed, it works, I guarantee it! I would not have written it if it didn't! Do you think I made a typo with those figures? I wrote them for a reason. Despite what "you think", these figures have been pretty standard for HI/RP for many moons. Read around and you'll see. When you have a reasonable understanding of the rxn, one can adjust ratios depending on the specific variables in play. By all means use whatever ratios you like, but be prepared to waste reagents unnecessarily, and or fuck the rxn due to it going too fast or too slow. In fact literature shows that with a reflux ratios can go very extreme and have as little as 5-10% RP. But again, this is not suitable for this rxn, as with this write-up we are trying to acheive a symbiotic (don't know WTF?)balance between the speed of a P/P, with the yeilds of a classic 36 hour reflux. So ratios are worked out to acheive a nice fast rxn without losing control and going too fast which leads to broken molecules (smashed ephedrine) and lowered yield.
Do you understand, or have I just typed all this shit for nothing?
Where's FMAN?

Besides, you should know better then to question the placebo!


Where is my delete button?? huh?
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by CRANKENSTIEN (Hive Bee)  
    Posted on 08-30-00 02:32  
    Post No 46678  
   
Placebo,  I have to hand it to you,  All  you other BEES listen up,  You do as the man says & you WILL get the most kickass shit you have ever seen!!!  OLE PLACEBO might be an ASS, but he knows how to get the best GO around & he is trying to teach you,  ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS & YOU'VE GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 Thanks placebo, it don't get no better then this!!!!!!!!!
KILLERBEE
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by Worlock (Tweaker God)  
    Posted on 08-31-00 07:26  
    Post No 47203  
   
I like the whole thing you have done here, Placebo.
Simplicity is the way to go.
The use of ice is excellent
the steam distillation is excellent
The final reclamation is excellent

Very impressive
I can assure you, that I am now in the process of modifying my personal procedure to match yours, It may be sometime before I get the web page switched around.

So with your permission I would like to place your article untouched in a section at Alkalinity.
Some drawing of steam distilation units are needed, I have some now, but you would need to make corrections to them.

One thing is your use of 50C and 150C I am sure it is degrees F and not degrees C
Worlock
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by SpankE (Hive Bee)  
    Posted on 08-31-00 13:03  
    Post No 47281  
   
Yes the steam distillation pics would help greatly.....
I choose u PIKACHU!!!!
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by Rxn_Jackson (Hive Bee)  
    Posted on 08-31-00 17:52  
    Post No 47388  
   
          Sorry, placebo. Didn't mean to get ya pissed off. Was just stating that the ratios can of course, be changed. And I was just describing what has *WORKED* for swim.
Now, excuse me while I Multi-Task....
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by placebo (i always talk like this!!)  
    Posted on 08-31-00 18:24  
    Post No 47394  
   
CHEMMAN and I would be honored!
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    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by Worlock (Tweaker God)  
    Posted on 08-31-00 20:13  
    Post No 47427  
   
Good deal , thanks for your permission, It is done, I'll make sure it got up to the server.

then I'll post some steam picts for you to modify.
 
This method is a bit of a change for me, the toughest part will be the steam distillation unit since it is a totally new apparatus that must be built,
Have you seen the diagrams of the super heated steam unit, designed to give a more stable and hotter steam resulting in a more pure fraction coming over and less water intermixed.
 


Worlock
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4986/two/start.html
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by placebo (i always talk like this!!)  
    Posted on 08-31-00 21:30  
    Post No 47449  
   
I will attempt to get some pics taken and upload to my site for you to get!
Gimme couple of weeks!
Where is my delete button?? huh?
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by spectrum (Stranger / Eraser)  
    Posted on 09-02-00 09:46  
    Post No 47928  
   
Pics, that would be excellent, i am understanding quite a bit more now but still havent figured out how to set up the gear...
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by wayupnorth (Hive Bee)  
    Posted on 09-02-00 22:55  
    Post No 48097  
   
Hey guys if you do the extraction down through the toulene and acetone and then decide to do a regular A/B the P cottage cheese crops up big time.  It sue shows why Placebo does his HI/RP and then worry about the P crud extraction.  Time and temper grows as fast as your cottage cheese until it finally shrinks back.  Makes me,  ALMOST want to give up on getting consistant yeilds up to 75% percent through electrocatalytic methods.  Damn, with HI/RP I get to see some results of sorts before completion.  Only have to put up with feeling like I got out through a wringer and time I use anymore that maintance dosing.  Electro is sweet in that area.  Can quaddripple my abuse before feeling the same after effects.
Duh, Uh whattttttt tit you say?
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by notfman (Hive Bee)  
    Posted on 09-02-00 23:53  
    Post No 48107  
   

1) Copper Steam Generator
2) Glass Tubing - wrapped
3) Heating  Mantle
4) Condenser *
5) Receiving Flask
6) Two or three neck flask

In this set-up, the glass tubing from the steam generater actually enters one of the side necks of the flask and is wrapped with heating wire. The condenser sits in the center neck and the last neck is corked. It was drawn this way so the condensor could be seen more clearly.

The combination of oil and water is vaporized by the steam and rises up the center column of the condenser.

The dome shape of the condenser forces the vapors outward toward the exterior water jacketed walls  which have ice-water flowing through them. The vapor is condensed and flows into the receiving flask. This particular condensor is very efficent, (see detail below)






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    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by placebo (i always talk like this!!)  
    Posted on 09-03-00 00:04  
    Post No 48108  
   
Ok, if your wondering what the glassware you need looks like!
and I am sure you can work out how it goes!
For reflux the condensor would go upright, with the other hole plugged.
For steam distillation, the splash head goes in the top neck with the condensor in the other end of it and sloping slightly downhill.
Then your steam is piped to the bottom of the flask with a small glass tube attachment with a ground glass joint or with the all in one steam distillation splashead. The steam is produced in a cheap pressure cooker setupo with a tube running off the pressure release outlet of the pressure cooker.
With both the vessel heated in an oilbath and the pressure cooker full of water being heated a couple of ounces will come over in an hour. leaving all the povidone behind and negating the need for any A/Bing ever! This means pills can be extracted via solvants only, which will give better yields and you won't have any losses at the end via A/B. These other setups look better but this is simpler cheaper and works like a fuckin charm!
                          

Enjoy!
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    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by Worlock (Tweaker God)  
    Posted on 09-03-00 04:39  
    Post No 48154  
   
In the process of completing the steam distillation portion of the procedure recently outlined by placebo.
A third of the product was rushed up to the  Bio assay department. The results are now in,it is the opinion that the procedure and resulting product are every bit as effective and are exactly as stated by the great Placebo himself. Or is it placebo the Great.,

The steam distillation unit practically assembled itself it was so simple.
It does take a little thinking to learn how to operate it effectively.
But had it working on the first attempt, no problem.
The methods used were close to the exact procedure outlined by placebo.
It was very simple, it is basic worlockian, expertly thought out and re-designed removing some  and re-working all the details.
There is no doubt that placebo is at oneness one with the chemicals and the reaction.
same.

A little on the quality, it is as good or better than anything I have been able to recrystallize , the steam distillation of the meth free amine, produces a superior product to all previous methods of cleaning the reaction product was filtered and NaOH added then steam distilled , washed , then extracted with water and HCl, after evaporation of the water the raw or crude was bio assayed and is as good or better than any I have ever had , anywhere , anytime, that means it was "the shit".

The use of ice to chill at steps along the way, was employed.  It appears from a general eyeball of what is available to be way up on the yield , I am estimating 80% return by weight from the original Ephedrine, a 50 gram ephedrine reaction was run.

From this point on I will use steam distillation and will chill the reaction at strategic intervals and ice down the addition of NaOH when making the freebase. I might add that at no time was a pH reading ever taken, but I can assure you that the pH that freebase was made at was well over pH 13.0, I still have some and will post the highest point reache don the pH od the reaction mix
 
Now we need a street name for this procedure, So that when a bee says he uses the XXXXX approach others will know it is this one.
 
 Plleeaasse  post yours or any ones ideas for a name ??? 



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    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by Worlock (Tweaker God)  
    Posted on 09-03-00 05:00  
    Post No 48161  
   
The pH strips only go up to 14 and the color changes indicated the pH to be over pH 14.0
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    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by placebo (i always talk like this!!)  
    Posted on 09-03-00 06:24  
    Post No 48181  
   
and don't that clear oil look so fuckin sweet?
Mwuahahahahahaha
Where is my delete button?? huh?
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by Worlock (Tweaker God)  
    Posted on 09-04-00 09:22  
    Post No 48505  
   
Ah yes, I did take several minutes to marvel at the clarity.
Crystal clear oil floating  on crystal clear water no emulsion.

Amazinmg how a small amount of impurities it takes to taint a batch
 
This process is impressive. I wonder about the properties of steam that make this work?

Near the end  aquired a fraction that was amber in color,
I have not processed this yet, and was wondering if it was worth it

 Showed the liquid to an  uninitiated clod
who just looked at me and
said , oh ahh yaeah ...real nice... and went back to shooting little pecker headed men. muttering and puffing on the pipe.

I enjoyed the odor with the realisation that this is what it really smells like.

The re- crystalization did no good except to dry it.and leave some impurities from the denatured that evolved off in 12 hours or so , probably some benzene  and similar aromatics

The Steam distilled stuff seems to stay damp a long time , perhaps water is bound to it .

Had that wet look
Snorters reported coming on fast and fairly hard, tackycardia
 \Puffers just loved the shit out of it.
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    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by placebo (i always talk like this!!)  
    Posted on 09-04-00 15:16  
    Post No 48573  
   
I did not have the "wetness" you speak of. In my experience, I throw some NP on and extract the oil, then gas and filter, redissolve in methanol and evap for dry large crystals (now you know how I got dem big ones from 1 crystallisation) Which when sitting in a heap on a peice of glass, resembled diamonds shimmering under the light! It has no smell whatsoever when dry and clean and is very very very very smooth, and slight burn on snorting. It really is amazing the difference between this and even the best shit I ever saw or bought before my exploration into manufacture.
It's people like me that make Unobtanium look like a dick!
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by Worlock (Tweaker God)  
    Posted on 09-05-00 00:26  
    Post No 48654  
   

Worlock
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    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by placebo (i always talk like this!!)  
    Posted on 09-05-00 01:32  
    Post No 48667  
   
Beautiful! Looking at that I would have thought you were lookin over my shoulder!
It's people like me that make Unobtanium look like a dick!
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by Mister_Clean (smartass)  
    Posted on 09-05-00 03:34  
    Post No 48673  
   
I had always dismissed steam distillation as a "pain in the ass".

Now it seems that it is becoming popular, perhaps I should reexamine this.

1.about how much water comes over with the product?

2. I assume the rxn flask is heated around 100C for this procedure, correct?

4. what length condenser is recommended with icewater as the coolant?

5. You seem to be implying the yields from steam distillation are around 100% is that correct?

Clean.

PS: I dont believe the comment about steam distilling from pills is correct. Wouldnt you have to convert to the freebase for this?

available in ammonia and new RP/I scented varieties...
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by tbeenz (Kiwi Bee)  
    Posted on 09-05-00 11:05  
    Post No 48777  
   
all i can say pictures like that speak a thousand words
keep up the good work


ONE WORLD

 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by CHEMMAN (Hive Bee)  
    Posted on 09-06-00 00:13  
    Post No 48974  
   
MC The yields from steaming are great.Worlock posted a while back on what to do to ensure an 80 percent yield.Lots of good info on where you may be losing, and what to do about it.Well swim was steaming back then ,
and the product stayed in the vessel it was created in, and steamed over with ultimate purity as per Placebos fine write up.This says two things.Well done Worlock to achieve 80 percent that way (good technique)and also that the steaming does it easier and I wont compare purity as I havent sampled Worlocks brew, best take his word on comparisons to be fair.80percent also.
Yes lots of water can come over, and it is due to many varied factors.What I understand of this is written in methods discourse under my Steam dist thread.My best advise is dont use too big a vessel for the amount you are doing, and build a good steam gen.With the small one litre vessel, I dont need to heat it at all.
It is very efficient.I have seen oil come over like a stream , and other times it can be a battle with the wrong combination.
It wont seperate miscible things, and you will see that some polymer can come over in the water if you didnt get rid of it first,but it will match a fractioning in purifying an oil that it is capable of volitilising.
Anyone interested in trying to make some sulfate for interest sake out of that baby oil that comes over.
Mix freebase with 50/50 ipa and dcm and drip in H2SO4.This is just a thought and I am open for any comments on this.I havent tried it in this procedure.
Again very good write up placebo.If it wasnt for guys like Methhead and Worlock, neither of us would have got there, so I spose its giving a bit back in return.If I find any more to offer, it will be posted here.
Keep that smile Cebo, or ill start thinking you are a cunt afterall.hahahahaha!!

 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by Worlock (Tweaker God)  
    Posted on 09-06-00 12:00  
    Post No 49105  
   
The steaming flask in the diagram was a one liter ,
the condesor was 18 inches long and although began with ice water was recycling warm water near the end.
The steam generater was a pressure cooker aluminum that holds 2.5 gallons of water max.

The water is about 90% of the fraction that comes over, this can be reduced by keepinhg the outside of the steaming vessel at the temp of steam, and keeping the incomimg steam tube very short so the steam is hot.

The steaming process is slow, it takes 30 minutes to distill 750 ml of fluid, , good idea to keep the reaction mix concentrated, and to not plug the steam into the sample until the steam is going strong.

The oil is crystal clear and floats on crystal clear water, all looks very pure. no washing of the oil is needed, just make the meth hcl salt and move on.




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    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by spectrum (Stranger / Eraser)  
    Posted on 09-08-00 13:45  
    Post No 49841  
   
Hardware Question for steam distillation..... If someone used a steam distillation splashhead, does that make it so  she can use a one neck flask... it seams that the extra glass tubes in that drawing would be used instead of the second flask opening??? still doing research but the drawings helped a ton.

Thanks all
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by placebo (Meth Master)  
    Posted on 09-08-00 16:43  
    Post No 49892  
   
Precisely spectrum, precisely!
It's people like me that make Unobtanium look like a dick!
 
   
 
   
    Subject Post immortalised   Reply  
    Posted by PVnRT_NC8 (FMAN)  
    Posted on 09-11-00 14:09  
    Post No 50721  
   

 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by placebo (irritable and cranky)  
    Posted on 09-11-00 14:16  
    Post No 50724  
   
Look who went and shit in my thread!
I am honored!
Thankyou FMAN!
It's people like me that make Unobtanium look like a dick!
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by Gen_Washington (Newbee)  
    Posted on 09-15-00 14:22  
    Post No 52288  
   
Spectrum's qustion is a bit confusing to me.  I dont have a splashead and dont want to buy any 2 or 3 necked flasks.  Am I to undertsand the middle flask is a one necked flask with a 2 hole rubber stopper?
 
Would a pressure cooker--1 liter regular erlenmeyer--NO condensor--glass, then vinyl tubing snaked inside a smaller iced erlenmeyer or even Bell jar   work?
The Flesh of Your Mother Sticks In My Teeth ~ Old Easter Island Saying
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by CHEMMAN (Guru of Go-Go)  
    Posted on 09-15-00 23:35  
    Post No 52402  
   
Mate, as Worlock said the water thru the condensor is absorbing a great deal of energy(heat),and needs to be as efficient as possible.A big double surface one works great.Looks silly coupled to a little one litre flask, but its better than having tap water flowing fast thru a little Liebig, and still getting some steam out the end . It heats water good for your coffee crank mix though haha
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by CHEMMAN (Guru of Go-Go)  
    Posted on 09-15-00 23:35  
    Post No 52403  
   
Mate, as Worlock said the water thru the condensor is absorbing a great deal of energy(heat),and needs to be as efficient as possible.A big double surface one works great.Looks silly coupled to a little one litre flask, but its better than having tap water flowing fast thru a little Liebig, and still getting some steam out the end . It heats water good for your coffee crank mix though haha
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by spectrum (Stranger / Eraser)  
    Posted on 09-18-00 03:53  
    Post No 52882  
   
I think i saw someone in the middle of p-fed extraction that ran into a question about the posted method. She added twice the remaining volume of acitone then began to evap and wondered....

ok i "crashed out the p-phed" but what does this mean, should i have crystals on the bottom (cant see, the shit is dark red brown). should i remove some of the liquid off of the top and evaporate, this would seem to make sense becaues this at least removes something to help clean out the slop, instead of just boiling it down. but i do not like to modify the directions, but dont want not ask on something that could be simple.

If anyone could help her, i am sure she will read this post...
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by Tasty (Hive Bee)  
    Posted on 09-18-00 11:28  
    Post No 52967  
   
Maybe instead of a condensor you could use a piece of glass tubing with vinyl tubing wrapped around with recyled ice water to chill it?
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by spectrum (Stranger / Eraser)  
    Posted on 09-18-00 12:09  
    Post No 52976  
   
This fine looking lady i saw has a friend that had surgery for a borken leg, that friend got this cooler to take home with him that had a circulator pump and hoses that went out to a changable attachment on the end. I imagine she could use that to keep just about any condenser nice and cool, every town has a med supply store that should have one of these if someone is too lazy to build one or they could ask for one next time there is an injury with the insurance picking up the tab...

-Spectrum
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by SpankE (Hive Bee)  
    Posted on 09-21-00 10:47  
    Post No 53759  
   
SWIM understands the process and is dreaming this way soon but what do you more experienced bees use to circleulate the ice water throught the condenser.
I choose u PIKACHU!!!!
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by Worlock (Tweaker God)  
    Posted on 09-21-00 11:24  
    Post No 53780  
   

Anyone have any data on the effect of the steam distillation process upon the pH of the solution?
Well, I know there is not because I used the search engine.

But I have been told by Wizard-X, after I was crying about a poor yield that if the pH of the solution gets too low, your shit won't come steam over, he says pH 7.0.
 
I am thinking as soon as the pH drops below pH 10, nothing else will come across, don't  know for sure , YET.


The ice water is recirculated using a pump,
A swamp cooler (evaporative cooler) pump $15 will work ok, if you don't have the UL approved submersible $110 recirculation pump.

And get yourself "two" big bags of ice.

Been using a 3 foot ahlis condenser on its side, and it works
you can fudge is a few ways but you better be able to put some cooling power on the steam, wheather using a longer condenser or being sure you have ice cold water in a short condenser.


The steaming flask with a tall neck works well, the worst that can happen is the lye splashes into the condenser or your stopper on the steaming flask leaks out the meth, a thermometer would be cool also.
When the oil stops comong over test the pH of the steaming flask contents, before tossing out the solution re-adjust with NaOH to pH13 +




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    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by Worlock (Tweaker God)  
    Posted on 09-21-00 11:32  
    Post No 53783  
   
A condenser can easily be made by surrounding a glass  tube with sprinkler pipe then sealing the ends.
any clear rigid plastic will work even a 20 oz soft drink.
But the inner tube should be glass, under the right conditions you can get away with metal inner tubing , unfortunately not here.
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    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by notfman (Hive Bee)  
    Posted on 09-21-00 14:58  
    Post No 53822  
   
In reply to:

but what do you more experienced bees use to circleulate the ice water throught the condenser



-go to home depot and buy yoourself  a small fountain pump.

- Buy a small syrofoam cooler.

- Poke holes in the lid  through which to run your water lines and electrical cord.

- Cover the pump with ice.

- Add just enough water to  cover your pump.

- Also, keep your receiving flask in an ice bath.


This setup works great for reflux too. Only one ice change required in a 16 hour reflux.
If your tubing does not fit tighly in the pump, wrap it with teflon tape.

cost- US
  small fountain pump   < $15.
  small syrofoam cooler < $2.00

Keep the PH up.... Don't know why but distillation DOES slow way down below PH 10
 



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    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by spectrum (Stranger / Eraser)  
    Posted on 09-22-00 07:52  
    Post No 53955  
   
In worlocks wonderful drawing of the steam distillation process i was wondering if there might be some loss out the exhaust port of the condenser... especially if a rigged up condenser is used.

Would it be a good idea to add some h20 to the recieving flask before the distillation, chill the reciever vessel, and run a hose from the condenser exhaust  into the water for better condensation of the product?

-Spectrum
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by SpankE (Hive Bee)  
    Posted on 09-22-00 09:10  
    Post No 53969  
   
Thanks for the help everyone! Homedepot here I come...
I choose u PIKACHU!!!!
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by Worlock (Tweaker God)  
    Posted on 10-21-00 13:12  
    Post No 61965  
   
As the meth distills , notice the amount coming over is less and less
This is because the pH of the solution is dropping fast
And unless the Meth is a freebase,  it will not distill

The pH is dropping how can this be?
Steaming adds very little water and The NaOH is still in the flask.

Only one thing is removed by the steam. --- Meth FB,
It must be that  FB meth  represents the lost base.

What to do without with out delay
Is added more NaOH (carefully)
and sure as shit the other 50% of the yield began to pass.

I did not do the math but it was clear to see,  an assymtopic effect and the Law of diminishing returns
is firmly in place . A calculus wiz woud take the  derivarive to compensate.
 
In other words when the meth FB distillation rate begins to slow again, Add more  NaOH
but there should only be  12% remaining to distill this time

And when it it happens again, (you know it will)  and you add more NaOH, 
the percentage remaining in the flask will be near 3%

A die hard might try once more but  the amount in the flask  is now insignifcant
somewhere behind a decimal place 0.6%

Makes me laugh and hypothecate
instead of measuring flask temperature
how about  a  probe measuring the flask's pH


I must tell you this about how superstition and incorrect information abound.

There was one low yeilder, the first time I did this and I kept the 4 liter flask
and reaction mixture, lye, and all  complete

It was not an hour or a day or even a week,
It was not even a month
It was a good solid six weeks before I pulled out that flask again
It had been hit with NaOH, a heavy dose six weeks before , maybe 8 weeks at the most
So when I distilled it the second time guess what came over
No not a nickle nor a dime
But 3/4 an ounce of the real  "da good kine"  Imagine that
after sitting,  a month,  in that nasty brine. 
Go figure?
 


Worlockium

 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by FarQ (Hive Bee)  
    Posted on 10-21-00 13:33  
    Post No 61969  
   
I assume you are PHing to an exact 13 or something?
Why not just over-basify a bit from the start and save the hassle of additions?
Works for SWIM.
ML<--Meth Loser
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by Worlock (Tweaker God)  
    Posted on 10-21-00 13:58  
    Post No 61972  
   
In reply to Spectrum
concerning the loss
of product through the condenser's exhaust.
And chilling ther recieving flask


Spectrum
you are a good thinker always using your  brain
It will serve you well, in this hive place
Those things we llave unsaid  are always  such a disgrace
Never enough detail, but it is always a trade, can't reinvent the wheel, with every post.

You are 100% correct there will be a loss through the condenser's exhaust,
 so it is best to seal it all the way down into the recieving flask

And the reciever flask should also be kept cold and on ice .

I reduced my losses in several ways, a 3 foot Ahlis condenser, not too rare
it cooled it thick as molasses, and not much was lost,
but I will admit I was quite concerned about this potential problem

The receiving flask, if possible, in some cases,
can be placed in the same plastic pail as the ice water and water pump
   
Worlockium

 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by Worlock (Tweaker God)  
    Posted on 10-21-00 14:40  
    Post No 61979  
   


I agree with you and placebo,  crank the shit on up over pH-14

You assume wrong if you think that I still pH to an exact anything ,
 it will never happen, I have done it before to learn what it does
But now I  Eyeball  that sucker, added  no fuel ,when the pH is in the 13s or more
 observe,   it will get very cloudy and thick, that white shit is what you scored
 
you know it can go over pH 14 since Since thw K (dissociation) 10^-14  is for pure water,only
and not the abortion we make

Be careful that you don't get it too thick   
or as it begins to cool , it will lock up as a solid, and give you a fit. 

But still, when the product slows it's rate of condensation
give a good blast,  and turn the steam  back on
Because  meth is very basic and  strong it seems

Depending on concentrations,
 even at pH-15
a lot of good bacon
will  still drain the pH down too low

Your  point is well taken
 It all leads,   to one fact,
 don't throw away any good bakin
just because the basic solution has gone flat. 


Worlockium


 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by SuNNySide (Hive Bee)  
    Posted on 10-21-00 20:43  
    Post No 62039  
   
Call me stupid but

What if you were to just add NaOH in you'r pressure cooker?
Would this keep you'r PH up?
Or is that stupid?

one more dumb question about the 2 neck round flat bottom flask
can you substitute this item and with what?
Drawing would be cool if possible.





i dont care
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by terbium (Hive Bee)  
    Posted on 10-21-00 21:05  
    Post No 62043  
   
In reply to:

What if you were to just add NaOH in you'r pressure cooker?
Would this keep you'r PH up?


The pressure cooker just supplies steam. If you add NaOH to it it will just stay in the pressure cooker. Instead, just add a shitload of NaOH to the flask containing the product.
You really don't even need an external source of steam just add water (and NaOH) to the product flask and heat this.

 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by bizarium (Hive Bee)  
    Posted on 10-22-00 03:27  
    Post No 62080  
   
ph over 14? Has chemistry changed that much in 30 years?
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by SuperAssman (Hive Bee)  
    Posted on 10-22-00 16:25  
    Post No 62271  
   
Have seen specialist Ph meters in lab supply catalog that reads to 14.99. Something about regular Ph scale based on H20 or something like that.
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by PVnRT_NC8 (FMAN / Eraser)  
    Posted on 10-22-00 18:16  
    Post No 62281  
   
Allright now i can re um imortalize it I htink i rember how to...arghh that pissed me off...Now i will sit back and relax for a while maybe start that process tommorow seems all is comming outa the wood for now.  Good posts havent tried to read it yet I have faith some good stuff candy anyone is happening now if we can concentrate our efforts to trash that other shit downwards where it belongs...

FLLUUSHHH!!
Amethystium
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by SuNNySide (Hive Bee)  
    Posted on 10-22-00 19:34  
    Post No 62287  
   
nobody can say it better than Fman
i dont care
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by PVnRT_NC8 (FMAN / Eraser)  
    Posted on 10-23-00 19:37  
    Post No 62584  
   
usually there is no escape port for gas just a baloon
1increse water pressure at tap (full blast)
2imerse collection flask (in sink)
3decrease cirrculant temp(ice)
4add another circuit to end of orriginal cirrcuit
this is easy? yes, if ya use twice distilled water in steam generator.
Why am i responding?
Use electro to derive the naoh,(from nacl) instead of ussing finished product, yield about street quality 5-10meths I wouldexpect this to be about perfect for resale the is a name for this process? YABA other salts and steams apply to most labratories increasing yield to near 90 %first run.....however the 10%cut with psuedo/eph would proally be about the best of all worlds, that pure stuff is dangerous, any racamization to me a fifty percent loss, process very not suited to my style, less racimization is possible, why take this and then purify furhter do not use propyl makes about pure l-meths, the l-could be XTYLED out as a tartarate ya make yourself from wine process, then maybe ya recycle it? about a ten percent to tweenty percent lost as garbage in such sceems, recycled to good stuff 30 half of which was d-meth, a very long hose was very easy to make even of glass also stretching a flask was simple as well as a coke bottle.  A real long hose was a better idea but also back presssure can cause problems as ya will want to be aware, an open system was safer, way more safer but noisey, a solution was to use something similiar to a wick humififyer.....takes air pasinto water, presto freebase floats, if so could slowely add water and drain off the bottom as per chicken feeder, this is not the case, as per some of these have not tried it yet do not know etc per ussual. so what?

The freebase floats onwater????? IT BETTER
if it does you have succeded:) often suck is twice distilled in line to negate any caryovers such as minimal amounts of naoh........

YA could have added vorteex at middle cold fullblast, removed from bottom

pumping in from there with venturi...thus clean cold water spills out air rises as well as freebase

this was a chicken feed experiment this would clean up tabs and pills pretty good as far as i am concerned this si a pre-reaction necessity....after gogo was made ya would rerock in tartaric then gas what was not rocked up tossing in the tartarate to new tabs, ya would do this for personal stash? yes for commercial stash highly unlikely.


Amethystium
to amke vey cosher add in line to a suppercoil at the end to ease the backpresuure or forward drive pressure add high velocity gas venturi jet to cause negative pressure otherwise more often than ya think boom kapooop!

adding acid to frebase did not work to very well in my opinion as well wasent tried as this was a racamic produced therin the process? if acid were added to flaoting freebase then does the change wrough does it disolve and no pHing is necessary??? likely, so commonly left out but in report pH is used? Why I am perturbed at my insight? Setup again I am my own narco cop, i could bust myslef so what?

I have had almost enough if i wasent learnign so much as the need to compensate w/ my contributions I ould have been gona a long time ago cheers go day then?
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    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by stick (Hive Bee)  
    Posted on 02-13-01 17:27  
    Post No 173036  
   
I know this is a old post but I am a busy musician who plays drums in Toronto Canada.I agree with you totally, have got the bread to go but I can't go go cause I got a nasty girl who says stay, I say cod and a bill for a gr and fuck you bitch because that's what you will get and you love it 2 days of oh! no fuck me more harder, more! yes! givvvve it to me!!you big piece of meat you!fuckk me, yes harder ok bitch I need  go havvve brread, cod but no go go , so suck on it then yoou  cock lovverand sucker! Yes oh only if I could in thiss fucked uuup place called Toronto, Canada.33diccckson Hill rd Markham Ontaario.Canada L3P3J3. LOts of bens ffor cod.
Hi Wiz .philly.Ian.costa rica-gone fuck'n'&fish'n See Ya later when you see me.
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by Mystic (Mystic's Path to Cosmic Power)  
    Posted on 02-13-01 18:37  
    Post No 173049  
   
What?!!!
It's all relative my dear Watson...
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by honest (Newbee)  
    Posted on 02-13-01 18:58  
    Post No 173052  
   
Are you for real???
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by thissuks (Hive Bee)  
    Posted on 02-13-01 19:19  
    Post No 173054  
   
Stick it up your ass. what the fuck are you talking about
BISD: Built-in shit detector 
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by placebo (irritable and cranky)  
    Posted on 02-13-01 23:53  
    Post No 173082  
   
Thankyou kindly for dumping in my thread, you degenerate inbred!
I could explain it to you, but you wouldn't understand!
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by Gen_Washington (Hive Bee)  
    Posted on 04-01-01 08:53  
    Post No 181265  
   
This might sound likje tweeke rtype over thinking, detailing type crap, but can Worlock or someone else tell me exactly what type of and where to procure whatever type of hose they have comiong from the pressure cooker?
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by SuperAssman (Hive Addict)  
    Posted on 04-02-01 00:35  
    Post No 181431  
   
Hot water hoses eh??? Hmmm, think auto store, think many funky molded shapes of heater hoses, and clamps to match.
Aint chemistry FUN?!
 
   
 
   
    Subject Re: Go to Whoah!   Reply  
    Posted by overamped (Stranger)  
    Posted on 04-02-01 13:38  
    Post No 181525  
   
shockedSorry Placebo Stick did'nt post that,we fucked with it. Sorry disregard its bullshit and was not meant to be posted.!
25 or 6 to four@purple rock do no more.com
 
   

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