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| Subject | Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | placebo (Hive Addict) | ||||
| Posted on | 07-05-00 06:04 | ||||
| Post No | 24686 | ||||
Ok, this is an amalgamation of many peoples methods! I beleive this to be the best, simplest, fastest, and cleanest method for producing meth-amphetamine, in the highest yeilds possible for RP/I2/E reaction! Remember, each and every step gives small losses, and this method has the least steps! It is a culmination of efforts by, Worlock, CHEMMAN, and maybe a few tiny touches by me! I re-iterate, I don't want any congratulations except for the write-up itself! You will need these things, and no substitutions allowed! If you can't get this shit, you aint ready to make the best Go-Go in town! This is a refinement of all methods, and the next step up from Push Pull, But nobody should be dicouraged from attempting this, as you will probably find it easier! PH paper, isn't even necessary! This post is one method from Go to Whoah! This post has to be followed from GO to Whoah! Otherwise you can run into trouble, as povidone is not removed in this extraction! It will be removed at the end! Each step was chosen to compliment the next! Understand? Read on Doggs..... Index: 1: Equipment 2: Reagents 3: Extraction of pfed 4: Reaction 5: Steam distillation 6: Crystallisation Equipment: Various jars 2L pyrex vessel 2L 2 neck round flat bottom flask 1 condenser, I reccomend a coil condenser but a liebig will suffice! 1 sloping splashhead or better still, a steam distillation sloping splashhead! A steam pressure cooker, that has releif valve at top Hotplate, electric of course! Filter paper, Bucner and vacuum would be nice too! thermometer 1 glass stopper lengths of clear pvc tubing Pot with vegetable oil, that can fit your reaction vessel Reagents: Iodine crystals Red Phosphorous Pseudo-ephedrine, or ephedrine Methanol Toluene Acetone NaOH All must be clean and anhydrous! Ice Extraction of pfed, Ok, this method will deal with the Hcl salt of pfed, and a streamlined version of "the cure"! All pills are dumped into a large jar and double the volume of methanol poured on top! This is stirred vigourously and let to settle, in the fridge seems to speed it up! After top methanol layer has cleared it is carefully decanted off. This procedure is repeated 3 times. All methanol pulls are put together and reduced on a hotplate. As methanol gets down to last little bit, it is taken off heat Then a portion of acetone, twice your remaing liquid is dropped in. This forces the pfed crystals to crash out. Then remaining liquid is carefully evaped off. Now you have your crude/dirty pfed Hcl. Next we will be doing successive toluene washes So put your pfed crystals in a pyrex (heat proof glass) Now add toluene to a safe level that can be lightly boiled on hotplate After about 5 mins boiling with stirring. Take off heat and let settle a minute. Now carefully pour off toluene into a filter to catch any remnants of pfed that may follow. Now if you get the toluene that has our contaminents in it and add some water You will see the crap crash from the toluene into the water This is the crap that came thru with the methanol pull! So as we continue to do multiple toluene washes, We will continue to test the toluene after pouring it off, To see how we are progressing with the cleanup! When we have reached a point where no crap comes out of the toluene, With the addition of water, then we are ready to try acetone! Usually about 3 boils in toluene, but of course it depends how much your using! So, as before we will add a portion of acetone and boil lightly! Now when we pour off the acetone, we will add a tiny amount of water and some NaOH This is our final test, when you do this and no crap falls out of acetone you are ready! This will be the cleanest pfed you have ever seen, guarenteed! AND, yeilds should be >90% if your careful! 95% is good Reaction, Smallest reaction to be attempted, especially by newbees, is 1oz of pfed! So that even taking into account sloppiness, lack of experience and losses along the way You should get some product! Ratios of reagents are, 3:3:1 or 1:1:1/3 ie.E:I:RP aka, equal amounts of Iodine and pfed, and a third as much RP! Comprenda! This is calculated on a weight basis, and can be scaled up or down as necessary, e.g.60gmE/60gmI2/20gmRP or 120gmE/120gmI2/40gmRP etc etc! Ok first prepare yourself an icebath! Yes icecubes and water in a sink or bucket! Now, many will say you should add this first or that first! Well after much reading of different peoples methods, I say.... Chuck the whole shebang in together, while your flask is on ice, Lift and swirl ingredients together, while maintaing on ice! Put your condenser on top and start water running thru, from bottom to top! Now, the idea is to get the reaction going in the most controlled way possible. Now you want to let reagents react in the icebath, if at all, Then move vessel from icebath to room temp, If things look like they're going too fast, put back in ice bath, You want to keep the reaction going but only at a nice slow, controlled pace! This is also necessary to control vapour in the condenser! Thick and or dis-colored smoke is bad! and plumes of smoke will escape from condenser As things progress at a nice slow pace, as things slow too much you can start applying heat! So prepare an oilbath and bring to about 50c, now if there is no more action in your vessel You can move it to the oilbath, and same as before, when things slow down, Adjust heat up, to say 100c then 150c for one hour, to make sure reaction has completed The whole time you should be watching to keep a nice reflux going, and not too much vapour is escaping from condenser! Now remove from heat and disconnect condenser, Now add ice water to quench reaction, reason for ice water is to calm the reaction down when NaOH is added Now its up to you if you want to filter out RP or leave till the end I would leave it, it will be washed nicely by next process and be easier to filter! Now add lots of NaOH to bring reaction mix to positive 14PH You cannot over-basify as meth won't be destroyed, its a tough MF! Steam Distillation, Now you need to set up your glassware for steam distillation! So attach steam distillation sloping splashhead to top hole of flask! Now attach plastic hose to steam inlet and other end, on release valve of pressure cooker that is full of water! Now attach condenser on end of splashhead, and rig up some kind of prop for it to stay up! Now place a jar at the end of condenser to catch our distillate! Now you want to heat both the pressure cooker, and the reaction flask! Now sit back and get ready for one of the most beautiful sites and smells! The meth freebase that is sitting on the top of your aqueous layer in flask will vapourise and be carried across and be condensed in the condenser and trickle down into your jar It will sit atop a bottom layer of water! After the last of the oil has come across, change jars and leave the setup to run for another hour Just to make sure you got it all! Any povidone from the pills will be stuck behind in the reaction vessel It has been noted that some polymer that may have been left from extraction, may follow the steam! Crystallisation, So, now we have a jar of water, with this sweet clear oil sitting on top! Now options are to add Hcl acid slowly with stirring until oil layer disappears and then evap the whole lot to get crystals! Or, as I found, you may have some polymer that has come over with the steam and is now sitting in the water layer, and it looks cloudy! So I don't want to evap all that, it will just concentrate the shit in there (plus its very time consuming evapping water, plus you risk losing some meth as the water evaps) So, I think you should just throw a little toluene into jar, and then seperate! Now your absolutly pure meth freebase is in your toluene! Now you can either gas, for instant clean meth, or Add minimal DH2O and then acidify to PH7, shake, seperate and evap water for crystals! repeat this step if you do it this way, as some more may come in second go! Now with this process from start to finish, you shouldn't need to re-crystallise As your product should be the cleanest shit anybody has ever seen anyway! But you may want to for the purpose of growing nice big crystals! In which case, add just enough hot methanol to dissolve all your meth and then place in freezer. The secret is, the slower the evap, the bigger the crystals! So a nice slow room temp evap over several days might be fun! Enjoy, and do not attempt anything above, before you completely understand what you are doing! You must have a sound understanding of the basics first! One Pissed Bee! |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | Synthman (Hive Bee) | ||||
| Posted on | 07-05-00 13:23 | ||||
| Post No | 24861 | ||||
Am I to be the only one to congratulate placebo on his efforts? Even if you don't cook, he took time out in order to further a cause. I love your disclaimers, placebo: "do not attempt anything above, before you completely understand what you are doing!". Take a lesson from CHEM_GUY. Post merely for informational purposes. I haven't done anything illegal and nor should you. |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | Mister_Clean (Hive Bee) | ||||
| Posted on | 07-05-00 17:53 | ||||
| Post No | 24916 | ||||
Very nice write up placebo. rp/I is not really my thing, but it looks like you have really put together something good here. |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | Stonium (Moderator) | ||||
| Posted on | 07-05-00 18:51 | ||||
| Post No | 24928 | ||||
Yeah, nice writeup, placeblo. ![]() Your trademark should be an exclamation point! You use enough of them in your writing! Silly, Stonium |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | placebo (Hive Addict) | ||||
| Posted on | 07-05-00 19:54 | ||||
| Post No | 24945 | ||||
Don't tease! One Pissed Bee! |
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| Posted by | catmandoo (Stranger) | ||||
| Posted on | 07-07-00 22:18 | ||||
| Post No | 25811 | ||||
| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | CHEM_GUY (Hive Bee) | ||||
| Posted on | 07-08-00 03:33 | ||||
| Post No | 25889 | ||||
The only improvement I say to better the quality of the write up was to include if the ratio of E:I2:RP was molar, or by weight, or by volume... These are things that people new to this procedure ask. Read my Disclaimer. http://chemguy.homestead.com/disclaimer. |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | placebo (Hive Addict) | ||||
| Posted on | 07-08-00 17:44 | ||||
| Post No | 26150 | ||||
Done, thanks for your perusal! One horny Bee! |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | tbeenz (Hive Bee) | ||||
| Posted on | 07-09-00 18:34 | ||||
| Post No | 26575 | ||||
i must say wicked wright up placebo one thing when you rig up the setup for steam distillation do you run water in the condenser many thanks o master bee bisssssss busssssss |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | placebo (Hive Addict) | ||||
| Posted on | 07-10-00 18:34 | ||||
| Post No | 26926 | ||||
Of course! One horny Bee! |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | oilman (Newbee) | ||||
| Posted on | 07-12-00 00:00 | ||||
| Post No | 27474 | ||||
Placebo,Hows it goin mate,WellI must say that I now have this little recipe printed out nicely for my dreamin in compact form.Just like a little note book for quick reference. I too noticed polymer come through after steam distillation, so I solvent pull,run through magnesium sulphate and then gas Oilman |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | CHEMMAN (Hive Bee) | ||||
| Posted on | 07-12-00 02:12 | ||||
| Post No | 27506 | ||||
Hi fellas.We all know that that polymer shit is super soluble in acetone.We also know that MHCL is totally insoluble in acetone.So why not use the process of recrystallisation to your advantage. We have an oil and water layer with polymer.Ph it, evap it down to like treakle.DONT BURN THE LOT. Add excess acetone.This does several things.It pulls the water out and makes it crystallise like all fuck, and all that polymer shit goes bye bye into the acetone. Dont use it as an easy way out for the other stuff placebo has taught you . It will not rescue garbage , as the L******e cooks found out the hard way. hahahahahah |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | Stonium (Moderator) | ||||
| Posted on | 07-12-00 04:41 | ||||
| Post No | 27548 | ||||
I agree wholeheartedly with CHEMMAN on that! Stonium |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | GED (Newbee) | ||||
| Posted on | 07-12-00 08:20 | ||||
| Post No | 27624 | ||||
All this talk of polymers has me confused ( nothing new ) The Cure, Extractomania etc are said to remove "polymers" but not Povidone. My info is that Povidone is a "water soluable polymer plastic" and the primary ingredient in hair spray. Spray Povidone "aka PVP" + H2O on hair, H2o evaps to leave plastic coated hair. First hand experience shows that Providone is soluable in MeOH and acetone washes don"t get rid of it. So, is there yet another polymer in these pills that the "Cure" is removing ? Povidone is showing up in more and more pills, including generics ( non Warner-Lamberts ) |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | placebo (Hive Addict) | ||||
| Posted on | 07-12-00 10:55 | ||||
| Post No | 27662 | ||||
yes One horny Bee! |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | simonsays7 (Stranger) | ||||
| Posted on | 07-12-00 16:05 | ||||
| Post No | 27755 | ||||
Nice write up Placebo!!!! Question how much water do you use in the reaction for say an oz of E. I presume the water should be added all at once as well? |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | placebo (Hive Addict) | ||||
| Posted on | 07-12-00 16:14 | ||||
| Post No | 27757 | ||||
None, but I use ever so slightly damp I2 and thats perfect amount of moisture, but assuming very dry reagents, I would put maybe 5mL per oz of E. One horny Bee! |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | HAZMAT (Stranger) | ||||
| Posted on | 07-18-00 18:18 | ||||
| Post No | 29930 | ||||
WOW!!!! that smell, is it my imagination? nope, it's my freezer, well, what do we have here???? whoah, glad i went there. thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! goto hell dea, you fucked up my life. |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | placebo (Hive Addict) | ||||
| Posted on | 08-15-00 22:47 | ||||
| Post No | 41125 | ||||
Another tip, after gassing and filtering product, put toluene into freezer overnight, and find a surprise in the morning to increase your yeilds. SWIM did this recently to find an extra 5gm!!! Whoopee!!! Makes me cringe at all the times SWIM thru it out after gassing and filtering! <--If I put this here, people
think I'm joking instead of a cunt! |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | PVnRT_NC8 (FMAN) | ||||
| Posted on | 08-15-00 23:16 | ||||
| Post No | 41134 | ||||
very interesting point of view I will reconsider some processes now that I have a fifty five gallon drum of tone at my greedy disposal<<<<<<<,,,, A010 |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | spectrum (Stranger / Eraser) | ||||
| Posted on | 08-29-00 09:52 | ||||
| Post No | 46415 | ||||
I am not complaining that the instructions provided are not complete, but it would be nice for somone with the abilities to post more details on, specificaly; does anyone have some photos of what this setup looks like? What is the need for a 2 neck flask as opposed to a single neck flask? What is a steam distillation sloping splashhead (this i cant find in any scientific equip website)? What is a buncer and where is it used? Will yeild increase with a coil condenser or will a liebig just take longer? Are any chems hard to get? How much should i pay for all of this gear? Spectrum |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | Rxn_Jackson (Newbee / Eraser) | ||||
| Posted on | 08-29-00 10:16 | ||||
| Post No | 46423 | ||||
I thought that you was supposed to use .8 RP 1.0 E and 1.2-1.5 on I2. I could be wrong, but thats whats swim uses in his dreams.... Now, excuse me while I Multi-Task....... |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | placebo (i always talk like this!!) | ||||
| Posted on | 08-29-00 15:55 | ||||
| Post No | 46533 | ||||
Spectrum, You need to do a lot more reading buddy, lots more, then you can come back and answer your own questions. Rxn_Jackson, In reply to: Don't think, just do as I tell you! Ratios vary depending on many
variables, such as.... Where is my delete button?? huh? |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | placebo (i always talk like this!!) | ||||
| Posted on | 08-29-00 15:56 | ||||
| Post No | 46534 | ||||
Spectrum, You need to do a lot more reading buddy, lots more, then you can come back and answer your own questions. Rxn_Jackson, In reply to: Don't think, just do as I tell you! Ratios vary depending on many
variables, such as.... Where is my delete button?? huh? |
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| Posted by | CRANKENSTIEN (Hive Bee) | ||||
| Posted on | 08-30-00 02:32 | ||||
| Post No | 46678 | ||||
Placebo, I have to hand it to you, All you other BEES listen up, You do as the man says & you WILL get the most kickass shit you have ever seen!!! OLE PLACEBO might be an ASS, but he knows how to get the best GO around & he is trying to teach you, ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS & YOU'VE GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks placebo, it don't get no better then this!!!!!!!!! KILLERBEE |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | Worlock (Tweaker God) | ||||
| Posted on | 08-31-00 07:26 | ||||
| Post No | 47203 | ||||
I like the whole thing you have done here, Placebo. Simplicity is the way to go. The use of ice is excellent the steam distillation is excellent The final reclamation is excellent Very impressive I can assure you, that I am now in the process of modifying my personal procedure to match yours, It may be sometime before I get the web page switched around. So with your permission I would like to place your article untouched in a section at Alkalinity. Some drawing of steam distilation units are needed, I have some now, but you would need to make corrections to them. One thing is your use of 50C and 150C I am sure it is degrees F and not degrees C Worlock http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/R |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | SpankE (Hive Bee) | ||||
| Posted on | 08-31-00 13:03 | ||||
| Post No | 47281 | ||||
Yes the steam distillation pics would help greatly..... I choose u PIKACHU!!!! |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | Rxn_Jackson (Hive Bee) | ||||
| Posted on | 08-31-00 17:52 | ||||
| Post No | 47388 | ||||
Sorry, placebo. Didn't mean to get ya pissed off. Was just stating that the ratios can of course, be changed. And I was just describing what has *WORKED* for swim. Now, excuse me while I Multi-Task.... |
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| Posted by | placebo (i always talk like this!!) | ||||
| Posted on | 08-31-00 18:24 | ||||
| Post No | 47394 | ||||
CHEMMAN and I would be honored! Where is my delete button?? huh? |
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| Posted by | Worlock (Tweaker God) | ||||
| Posted on | 08-31-00 20:13 | ||||
| Post No | 47427 | ||||
Good deal , thanks for your permission, It is done, I'll make sure it got up to the server. then I'll post some steam picts for you to modify. This method is a bit of a change for me, the toughest part will be the steam distillation unit since it is a totally new apparatus that must be built, Have you seen the diagrams of the super heated steam unit, designed to give a more stable and hotter steam resulting in a more pure fraction coming over and less water intermixed. ![]() ![]() Worlock http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/R |
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| Posted by | placebo (i always talk like this!!) | ||||
| Posted on | 08-31-00 21:30 | ||||
| Post No | 47449 | ||||
I will attempt to get some pics taken and upload to my site for you to get! Gimme couple of weeks! Where is my delete button?? huh? |
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| Posted by | spectrum (Stranger / Eraser) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-02-00 09:46 | ||||
| Post No | 47928 | ||||
Pics, that would be excellent, i am understanding quite a bit more now but still havent figured out how to set up the gear... |
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| Posted by | wayupnorth (Hive Bee) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-02-00 22:55 | ||||
| Post No | 48097 | ||||
Hey guys if you do the extraction down through the toulene and acetone and then decide to do a regular A/B the P cottage cheese crops up big time. It sue shows why Placebo does his HI/RP and then worry about the P crud extraction. Time and temper grows as fast as your cottage cheese until it finally shrinks back. Makes me, ALMOST want to give up on getting consistant yeilds up to 75% percent through electrocatalytic methods. Damn, with HI/RP I get to see some results of sorts before completion. Only have to put up with feeling like I got out through a wringer and time I use anymore that maintance dosing. Electro is sweet in that area. Can quaddripple my abuse before feeling the same after effects. Duh, Uh whattttttt tit you say? |
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| Posted by | notfman (Hive Bee) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-02-00 23:53 | ||||
| Post No | 48107 | ||||
![]() 1) Copper Steam Generator 2) Glass Tubing - wrapped 3) Heating Mantle 4) Condenser * 5) Receiving Flask 6) Two or three neck flask In this set-up, the glass tubing from the steam generater actually enters one of the side necks of the flask and is wrapped with heating wire. The condenser sits in the center neck and the last neck is corked. It was drawn this way so the condensor could be seen more clearly. The combination of oil and water is vaporized by the steam and rises up the center column of the condenser. The dome shape of the condenser forces the vapors outward toward the exterior water jacketed walls which have ice-water flowing through them. The vapor is condensed and flows into the receiving flask. This particular condensor is very efficent, (see detail below) ![]() ....... searchin for catchy new signature |
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| Posted by | placebo (i always talk like this!!) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-03-00 00:04 | ||||
| Post No | 48108 | ||||
Ok, if your wondering what the glassware you need looks like! and I am sure you can work out how it goes! For reflux the condensor would go upright, with the other hole plugged. For steam distillation, the splash head goes in the top neck with the condensor in the other end of it and sloping slightly downhill. Then your steam is piped to the bottom of the flask with a small glass tube attachment with a ground glass joint or with the all in one steam distillation splashead. The steam is produced in a cheap pressure cooker setupo with a tube running off the pressure release outlet of the pressure cooker. With both the vessel heated in an oilbath and the pressure cooker full of water being heated a couple of ounces will come over in an hour. leaving all the povidone behind and negating the need for any A/Bing ever! This means pills can be extracted via solvants only, which will give better yields and you won't have any losses at the end via A/B. These other setups look better but this is simpler cheaper and works like a fuckin charm!
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| Posted by | Worlock (Tweaker God) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-03-00 04:39 | ||||
| Post No | 48154 | ||||
In the process of completing the steam distillation portion of the procedure recently outlined by placebo. A third of the product was rushed up to the Bio assay department. The results are now in,it is the opinion that the procedure and resulting product are every bit as effective and are exactly as stated by the great Placebo himself. Or is it placebo the Great., The steam distillation unit practically assembled itself it was so simple. It does take a little thinking to learn how to operate it effectively. But had it working on the first attempt, no problem. The methods used were close to the exact procedure outlined by placebo. It was very simple, it is basic worlockian, expertly thought out and re-designed removing some and re-working all the details. There is no doubt that placebo is at oneness one with the chemicals and the reaction. same. A little on the quality, it is as good or better than anything I have been able to recrystallize , the steam distillation of the meth free amine, produces a superior product to all previous methods of cleaning the reaction product was filtered and NaOH added then steam distilled , washed , then extracted with water and HCl, after evaporation of the water the raw or crude was bio assayed and is as good or better than any I have ever had , anywhere , anytime, that means it was "the shit". The use of ice to chill at steps along the way, was employed. It appears from a general eyeball of what is available to be way up on the yield , I am estimating 80% return by weight from the original Ephedrine, a 50 gram ephedrine reaction was run. From this point on I will use steam distillation and will chill the reaction at strategic intervals and ice down the addition of NaOH when making the freebase. I might add that at no time was a pH reading ever taken, but I can assure you that the pH that freebase was made at was well over pH 13.0, I still have some and will post the highest point reache don the pH od the reaction mix Now we need a street name for this procedure, So that when a bee says he uses the XXXXX approach others will know it is this one. Plleeaasse post yours or any ones ideas for a name ??? Worlock http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/R |
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| Posted by | Worlock (Tweaker God) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-03-00 05:00 | ||||
| Post No | 48161 | ||||
The pH strips only go up to 14 and the color changes indicated the pH to be over pH 14.0 Worlock http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/R |
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| Posted by | placebo (i always talk like this!!) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-03-00 06:24 | ||||
| Post No | 48181 | ||||
and don't that clear oil look so fuckin sweet? Mwuahahahahahaha Where is my delete button?? huh? |
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| Posted by | Worlock (Tweaker God) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-04-00 09:22 | ||||
| Post No | 48505 | ||||
Ah yes, I did take several minutes to marvel at the clarity. Crystal clear oil floating on crystal clear water no emulsion. Amazinmg how a small amount of impurities it takes to taint a batch This process is impressive. I wonder about the properties of steam that make this work? Near the end aquired a fraction that was amber in color, I have not processed this yet, and was wondering if it was worth it Showed the liquid to an uninitiated clod who just looked at me and said , oh ahh yaeah ...real nice... and went back to shooting little pecker headed men. muttering and puffing on the pipe. I enjoyed the odor with the realisation that this is what it really smells like. The re- crystalization did no good except to dry it.and leave some impurities from the denatured that evolved off in 12 hours or so , probably some benzene and similar aromatics The Steam distilled stuff seems to stay damp a long time , perhaps water is bound to it . Had that wet look Snorters reported coming on fast and fairly hard, tackycardia \Puffers just loved the shit out of it. Worlock http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/R |
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| Posted by | placebo (i always talk like this!!) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-04-00 15:16 | ||||
| Post No | 48573 | ||||
I did not have the "wetness" you speak of. In my experience, I throw some NP on and extract the oil, then gas and filter, redissolve in methanol and evap for dry large crystals (now you know how I got dem big ones from 1 crystallisation) Which when sitting in a heap on a peice of glass, resembled diamonds shimmering under the light! It has no smell whatsoever when dry and clean and is very very very very smooth, and slight burn on snorting. It really is amazing the difference between this and even the best shit I ever saw or bought before my exploration into manufacture. It's people like me that make Unobtanium look like a dick! |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | Worlock (Tweaker God) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-05-00 00:26 | ||||
| Post No | 48654 | ||||
Worlock http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/R |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | placebo (i always talk like this!!) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-05-00 01:32 | ||||
| Post No | 48667 | ||||
Beautiful! Looking at that I would have thought you were lookin over my shoulder! It's people like me that make Unobtanium look like a dick! |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | Mister_Clean (smartass) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-05-00 03:34 | ||||
| Post No | 48673 | ||||
I had always dismissed steam distillation as a "pain in the ass". Now it seems that it is becoming popular, perhaps I should reexamine this. 1.about how much water comes over with the product? 2. I assume the rxn flask is heated around 100C for this procedure, correct? 4. what length condenser is recommended with icewater as the coolant? 5. You seem to be implying the yields from steam distillation are around 100% is that correct? Clean. PS: I dont believe the comment about steam distilling from pills is correct. Wouldnt you have to convert to the freebase for this? available in ammonia and new RP/I scented varieties... |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | tbeenz (Kiwi Bee) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-05-00 11:05 | ||||
| Post No | 48777 | ||||
all i can say pictures like that speak a thousand words keep up the good work ONE WORLD |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | CHEMMAN (Hive Bee) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-06-00 00:13 | ||||
| Post No | 48974 | ||||
MC The yields from steaming are great.Worlock posted a while back on what to do to ensure an 80 percent yield.Lots of good info on where you may be losing, and what to do about it.Well swim was steaming back then , and the product stayed in the vessel it was created in, and steamed over with ultimate purity as per Placebos fine write up.This says two things.Well done Worlock to achieve 80 percent that way (good technique)and also that the steaming does it easier and I wont compare purity as I havent sampled Worlocks brew, best take his word on comparisons to be fair.80percent also. Yes lots of water can come over, and it is due to many varied factors.What I understand of this is written in methods discourse under my Steam dist thread.My best advise is dont use too big a vessel for the amount you are doing, and build a good steam gen.With the small one litre vessel, I dont need to heat it at all. It is very efficient.I have seen oil come over like a stream , and other times it can be a battle with the wrong combination. It wont seperate miscible things, and you will see that some polymer can come over in the water if you didnt get rid of it first,but it will match a fractioning in purifying an oil that it is capable of volitilising. Anyone interested in trying to make some sulfate for interest sake out of that baby oil that comes over. Mix freebase with 50/50 ipa and dcm and drip in H2SO4.This is just a thought and I am open for any comments on this.I havent tried it in this procedure. Again very good write up placebo.If it wasnt for guys like Methhead and Worlock, neither of us would have got there, so I spose its giving a bit back in return.If I find any more to offer, it will be posted here. Keep that smile Cebo, or ill start thinking you are a cunt afterall.hahahahaha!! |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | Worlock (Tweaker God) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-06-00 12:00 | ||||
| Post No | 49105 | ||||
The steaming flask in the diagram was a one liter , the condesor was 18 inches long and although began with ice water was recycling warm water near the end. The steam generater was a pressure cooker aluminum that holds 2.5 gallons of water max. The water is about 90% of the fraction that comes over, this can be reduced by keepinhg the outside of the steaming vessel at the temp of steam, and keeping the incomimg steam tube very short so the steam is hot. The steaming process is slow, it takes 30 minutes to distill 750 ml of fluid, , good idea to keep the reaction mix concentrated, and to not plug the steam into the sample until the steam is going strong. The oil is crystal clear and floats on crystal clear water, all looks very pure. no washing of the oil is needed, just make the meth hcl salt and move on. Worlock http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/R |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | spectrum (Stranger / Eraser) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-08-00 13:45 | ||||
| Post No | 49841 | ||||
Hardware Question for steam distillation..... If someone used a steam distillation splashhead, does that make it so she can use a one neck flask... it seams that the extra glass tubes in that drawing would be used instead of the second flask opening??? still doing research but the drawings helped a ton. Thanks all |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | placebo (Meth Master) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-08-00 16:43 | ||||
| Post No | 49892 | ||||
Precisely spectrum, precisely! It's people like me that make Unobtanium look like a dick! |
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| Subject | Post immortalised | Reply | |||
| Posted by | PVnRT_NC8 (FMAN) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-11-00 14:09 | ||||
| Post No | 50721 | ||||
| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | placebo (irritable and cranky) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-11-00 14:16 | ||||
| Post No | 50724 | ||||
Look who went and shit in my thread! I am honored! Thankyou FMAN! It's people like me that make Unobtanium look like a dick! |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | Gen_Washington (Newbee) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-15-00 14:22 | ||||
| Post No | 52288 | ||||
Spectrum's qustion is a bit confusing to me. I dont have a splashead and dont want to buy any 2 or 3 necked flasks. Am I to undertsand the middle flask is a one necked flask with a 2 hole rubber stopper? Would a pressure cooker--1 liter regular erlenmeyer--NO condensor--glass, then vinyl tubing snaked inside a smaller iced erlenmeyer or even Bell jar work? The Flesh of Your Mother Sticks In My Teeth ~ Old Easter Island Saying |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | CHEMMAN (Guru of Go-Go) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-15-00 23:35 | ||||
| Post No | 52402 | ||||
Mate, as Worlock said the water thru the condensor is absorbing a great deal of energy(heat),and needs to be as efficient as possible.A big double surface one works great.Looks silly coupled to a little one litre flask, but its better than having tap water flowing fast thru a little Liebig, and still getting some steam out the end . It heats water good for your coffee crank mix though haha |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | CHEMMAN (Guru of Go-Go) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-15-00 23:35 | ||||
| Post No | 52403 | ||||
Mate, as Worlock said the water thru the condensor is absorbing a great deal of energy(heat),and needs to be as efficient as possible.A big double surface one works great.Looks silly coupled to a little one litre flask, but its better than having tap water flowing fast thru a little Liebig, and still getting some steam out the end . It heats water good for your coffee crank mix though haha |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | spectrum (Stranger / Eraser) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-18-00 03:53 | ||||
| Post No | 52882 | ||||
I think i saw someone in the middle of p-fed extraction that ran into a question about the posted method. She added twice the remaining volume of acitone then began to evap and wondered.... ok i "crashed out the p-phed" but what does this mean, should i have crystals on the bottom (cant see, the shit is dark red brown). should i remove some of the liquid off of the top and evaporate, this would seem to make sense becaues this at least removes something to help clean out the slop, instead of just boiling it down. but i do not like to modify the directions, but dont want not ask on something that could be simple. If anyone could help her, i am sure she will read this post... |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | Tasty (Hive Bee) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-18-00 11:28 | ||||
| Post No | 52967 | ||||
Maybe instead of a condensor you could use a piece of glass tubing with vinyl tubing wrapped around with recyled ice water to chill it? |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | spectrum (Stranger / Eraser) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-18-00 12:09 | ||||
| Post No | 52976 | ||||
This fine looking lady i saw has a friend that had surgery for a borken leg, that friend got this cooler to take home with him that had a circulator pump and hoses that went out to a changable attachment on the end. I imagine she could use that to keep just about any condenser nice and cool, every town has a med supply store that should have one of these if someone is too lazy to build one or they could ask for one next time there is an injury with the insurance picking up the tab... -Spectrum |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | SpankE (Hive Bee) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-21-00 10:47 | ||||
| Post No | 53759 | ||||
SWIM understands the process and is dreaming this way soon but what do you more experienced bees use to circleulate the ice water throught the condenser. I choose u PIKACHU!!!! |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | Worlock (Tweaker God) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-21-00 11:24 | ||||
| Post No | 53780 | ||||
Anyone have any data on the effect of the steam distillation process upon the pH of the solution? Well, I know there is not because I used the search engine. But I have been told by Wizard-X, after I was crying about a poor yield that if the pH of the solution gets too low, your shit won't come steam over, he says pH 7.0. I am thinking as soon as the pH drops below pH 10, nothing else will come across, don't know for sure , YET. The ice water is recirculated using a pump, A swamp cooler (evaporative cooler) pump $15 will work ok, if you don't have the UL approved submersible $110 recirculation pump. And get yourself "two" big bags of ice. Been using a 3 foot ahlis condenser on its side, and it works you can fudge is a few ways but you better be able to put some cooling power on the steam, wheather using a longer condenser or being sure you have ice cold water in a short condenser. The steaming flask with a tall neck works well, the worst that can happen is the lye splashes into the condenser or your stopper on the steaming flask leaks out the meth, a thermometer would be cool also. When the oil stops comong over test the pH of the steaming flask contents, before tossing out the solution re-adjust with NaOH to pH13 + Worlockium www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4 |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | Worlock (Tweaker God) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-21-00 11:32 | ||||
| Post No | 53783 | ||||
A condenser can easily be made by surrounding a glass tube with sprinkler pipe then sealing the ends. any clear rigid plastic will work even a 20 oz soft drink. But the inner tube should be glass, under the right conditions you can get away with metal inner tubing , unfortunately not here. Worlockium www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Runway/4 |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | notfman (Hive Bee) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-21-00 14:58 | ||||
| Post No | 53822 | ||||
In reply to:
ÑØ†ƒmàÑ |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | spectrum (Stranger / Eraser) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-22-00 07:52 | ||||
| Post No | 53955 | ||||
In worlocks wonderful drawing of the steam distillation process i was wondering if there might be some loss out the exhaust port of the condenser... especially if a rigged up condenser is used. Would it be a good idea to add some h20 to the recieving flask before the distillation, chill the reciever vessel, and run a hose from the condenser exhaust into the water for better condensation of the product? -Spectrum |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | SpankE (Hive Bee) | ||||
| Posted on | 09-22-00 09:10 | ||||
| Post No | 53969 | ||||
Thanks for the help everyone! Homedepot here I come... I choose u PIKACHU!!!! |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | Worlock (Tweaker God) | ||||
| Posted on | 10-21-00 13:12 | ||||
| Post No | 61965 | ||||
As the meth distills , notice the amount coming over is less and less This is because the pH of the solution is dropping fast And unless the Meth is a freebase, it will not distill The pH is dropping how can this be? Steaming adds very little water and The NaOH is still in the flask. Only one thing is removed by the steam. --- Meth FB, It must be that FB meth represents the lost base. What to do without with out delay Is added more NaOH (carefully) and sure as shit the other 50% of the yield began to pass. I did not do the math but it was clear to see, an assymtopic effect and the Law of diminishing returns is firmly in place . A calculus wiz woud take the derivarive to compensate. In other words when the meth FB distillation rate begins to slow again, Add more NaOH but there should only be 12% remaining to distill this time And when it it happens again, (you know it will) and you add more NaOH, the percentage remaining in the flask will be near 3% A die hard might try once more but the amount in the flask is now insignifcant somewhere behind a decimal place 0.6% Makes me laugh and hypothecate instead of measuring flask temperature how about a probe measuring the flask's pH I must tell you this about how superstition and incorrect information abound. There was one low yeilder, the first time I did this and I kept the 4 liter flask and reaction mixture, lye, and all complete It was not an hour or a day or even a week, It was not even a month It was a good solid six weeks before I pulled out that flask again It had been hit with NaOH, a heavy dose six weeks before , maybe 8 weeks at the most So when I distilled it the second time guess what came over No not a nickle nor a dime But 3/4 an ounce of the real "da good kine" Imagine that after sitting, a month, in that nasty brine. Go figure? Worlockium |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | FarQ (Hive Bee) | ||||
| Posted on | 10-21-00 13:33 | ||||
| Post No | 61969 | ||||
I assume you are PHing to an exact 13 or something? Why not just over-basify a bit from the start and save the hassle of additions? Works for SWIM. ML<--Meth Loser |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | Worlock (Tweaker God) | ||||
| Posted on | 10-21-00 13:58 | ||||
| Post No | 61972 | ||||
In reply to Spectrum concerning the loss of product through the condenser's exhaust. And chilling ther recieving flask Spectrum you are a good thinker always using your brain It will serve you well, in this hive place Those things we llave unsaid are always such a disgrace Never enough detail, but it is always a trade, can't reinvent the wheel, with every post. You are 100% correct there will be a loss through the condenser's exhaust, so it is best to seal it all the way down into the recieving flask And the reciever flask should also be kept cold and on ice . I reduced my losses in several ways, a 3 foot Ahlis condenser, not too rare it cooled it thick as molasses, and not much was lost, but I will admit I was quite concerned about this potential problem The receiving flask, if possible, in some cases, can be placed in the same plastic pail as the ice water and water pump Worlockium |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | Worlock (Tweaker God) | ||||
| Posted on | 10-21-00 14:40 | ||||
| Post No | 61979 | ||||
I agree with you and placebo, crank the shit on up over pH-14 You assume wrong if you think that I still pH to an exact anything , it will never happen, I have done it before to learn what it does But now I Eyeball that sucker, added no fuel ,when the pH is in the 13s or more observe, it will get very cloudy and thick, that white shit is what you scored you know it can go over pH 14 since Since thw K (dissociation) 10^-14 is for pure water,only and not the abortion we make Be careful that you don't get it too thick or as it begins to cool , it will lock up as a solid, and give you a fit. But still, when the product slows it's rate of condensation give a good blast, and turn the steam back on Because meth is very basic and strong it seems Depending on concentrations, even at pH-15 a lot of good bacon will still drain the pH down too low Your point is well taken It all leads, to one fact, don't throw away any good bakin just because the basic solution has gone flat. Worlockium |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | SuNNySide (Hive Bee) | ||||
| Posted on | 10-21-00 20:43 | ||||
| Post No | 62039 | ||||
Call me stupid but What if you were to just add NaOH in you'r pressure cooker? Would this keep you'r PH up? Or is that stupid? one more dumb question about the 2 neck round flat bottom flask can you substitute this item and with what? Drawing would be cool if possible. i dont care |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | terbium (Hive Bee) | ||||
| Posted on | 10-21-00 21:05 | ||||
| Post No | 62043 | ||||
In reply to: The pressure cooker just supplies steam. If you add NaOH to it it will
just stay in the pressure cooker. Instead, just add a shitload of NaOH to
the flask containing the product. |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | bizarium (Hive Bee) | ||||
| Posted on | 10-22-00 03:27 | ||||
| Post No | 62080 | ||||
ph over 14? Has chemistry changed that much in 30 years? |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | SuperAssman (Hive Bee) | ||||
| Posted on | 10-22-00 16:25 | ||||
| Post No | 62271 | ||||
Have seen specialist Ph meters in lab supply catalog that reads to 14.99. Something about regular Ph scale based on H20 or something like that. |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | PVnRT_NC8 (FMAN / Eraser) | ||||
| Posted on | 10-22-00 18:16 | ||||
| Post No | 62281 | ||||
Allright now i can re um imortalize it I htink i rember how to...arghh that pissed me off...Now i will sit back and relax for a while maybe start that process tommorow seems all is comming outa the wood for now. Good posts havent tried to read it yet I have faith some good stuff candy anyone is happening now if we can concentrate our efforts to trash that other shit downwards where it belongs... FLLUUSHHH!! Amethystium |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | SuNNySide (Hive Bee) | ||||
| Posted on | 10-22-00 19:34 | ||||
| Post No | 62287 | ||||
nobody can say it better than Fman i dont care |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | PVnRT_NC8 (FMAN / Eraser) | ||||
| Posted on | 10-23-00 19:37 | ||||
| Post No | 62584 | ||||
usually there is no escape port for gas just a baloon 1increse water pressure at tap (full blast) 2imerse collection flask (in sink) 3decrease cirrculant temp(ice) 4add another circuit to end of orriginal cirrcuit this is easy? yes, if ya use twice distilled water in steam generator. Why am i responding? Use electro to derive the naoh,(from nacl) instead of ussing finished product, yield about street quality 5-10meths I wouldexpect this to be about perfect for resale the is a name for this process? YABA other salts and steams apply to most labratories increasing yield to near 90 %first run.....however the 10%cut with psuedo/eph would proally be about the best of all worlds, that pure stuff is dangerous, any racamization to me a fifty percent loss, process very not suited to my style, less racimization is possible, why take this and then purify furhter do not use propyl makes about pure l-meths, the l-could be XTYLED out as a tartarate ya make yourself from wine process, then maybe ya recycle it? about a ten percent to tweenty percent lost as garbage in such sceems, recycled to good stuff 30 half of which was d-meth, a very long hose was very easy to make even of glass also stretching a flask was simple as well as a coke bottle. A real long hose was a better idea but also back presssure can cause problems as ya will want to be aware, an open system was safer, way more safer but noisey, a solution was to use something similiar to a wick humififyer.....takes air pasinto water, presto freebase floats, if so could slowely add water and drain off the bottom as per chicken feeder, this is not the case, as per some of these have not tried it yet do not know etc per ussual. so what? The freebase floats onwater????? IT BETTER if it does you have succeded:) often suck is twice distilled in line to negate any caryovers such as minimal amounts of naoh........ YA could have added vorteex at middle cold fullblast, removed from bottom pumping in from there with venturi...thus clean cold water spills out air rises as well as freebase this was a chicken feed experiment this would clean up tabs and pills pretty good as far as i am concerned this si a pre-reaction necessity....after gogo was made ya would rerock in tartaric then gas what was not rocked up tossing in the tartarate to new tabs, ya would do this for personal stash? yes for commercial stash highly unlikely. Amethystium to amke vey cosher add in line to a suppercoil at the end to ease the backpresuure or forward drive pressure add high velocity gas venturi jet to cause negative pressure otherwise more often than ya think boom kapooop! adding acid to frebase did not work to very well in my opinion as well wasent tried as this was a racamic produced therin the process? if acid were added to flaoting freebase then does the change wrough does it disolve and no pHing is necessary??? likely, so commonly left out but in report pH is used? Why I am perturbed at my insight? Setup again I am my own narco cop, i could bust myslef so what? I have had almost enough if i wasent learnign so much as the need to compensate w/ my contributions I ould have been gona a long time ago cheers go day then? ======================================== VERY LITTLE NEW INFO HERE FOLKS PLEASE FEEL FREE TO INVENT NEW OBLONG WHEEL DRIVER BE CREATIVE!! SUCH DEVICE IS CALLED A DUAL WHEEL USED TO CARY BIGGER BURDENS?????? COMON BE CREATIVE WITH THIS STUFF! |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | stick (Hive Bee) | ||||
| Posted on | 02-13-01 17:27 | ||||
| Post No | 173036 | ||||
I know this is a old post but I am a busy musician who plays drums in Toronto Canada.I agree with you totally, have got the bread to go but I can't go go cause I got a nasty girl who says stay, I say cod and a bill for a gr and fuck you bitch because that's what you will get and you love it 2 days of oh! no fuck me more harder, more! yes! givvvve it to me!!you big piece of meat you!fuckk me, yes harder ok bitch I need go havvve brread, cod but no go go , so suck on it then yoou cock lovverand sucker! Yes oh only if I could in thiss fucked uuup place called Toronto, Canada.33diccckson Hill rd Markham Ontaario.Canada L3P3J3. LOts of bens ffor cod. Hi Wiz .philly.Ian.costa rica-gone fuck'n'&fish'n See Ya later when you see me. |
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| Posted by | Mystic (Mystic's Path to Cosmic Power) | ||||
| Posted on | 02-13-01 18:37 | ||||
| Post No | 173049 | ||||
What?!!! It's all relative my dear Watson... |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | honest (Newbee) | ||||
| Posted on | 02-13-01 18:58 | ||||
| Post No | 173052 | ||||
Are you for real??? |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | thissuks (Hive Bee) | ||||
| Posted on | 02-13-01 19:19 | ||||
| Post No | 173054 | ||||
Stick it up your ass. what the fuck are you talking about BISD: Built-in shit detector |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | placebo (irritable and cranky) | ||||
| Posted on | 02-13-01 23:53 | ||||
| Post No | 173082 | ||||
Thankyou kindly for dumping in my thread, you degenerate inbred! I could explain it to you, but you wouldn't understand! |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | Gen_Washington (Hive Bee) | ||||
| Posted on | 04-01-01 08:53 | ||||
| Post No | 181265 | ||||
This might sound likje tweeke rtype over thinking, detailing type crap, but can Worlock or someone else tell me exactly what type of and where to procure whatever type of hose they have comiong from the pressure cooker? |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | SuperAssman (Hive Addict) | ||||
| Posted on | 04-02-01 00:35 | ||||
| Post No | 181431 | ||||
Hot water hoses eh??? Hmmm, think auto store, think many funky molded shapes of heater hoses, and clamps to match. Aint chemistry FUN?! |
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| Subject | Re: Go to Whoah! | Reply | |||
| Posted by | overamped (Stranger) | ||||
| Posted on | 04-02-01 13:38 | ||||
| Post No | 181525 | ||||
Sorry Placebo Stick did'nt post
that,we fucked with it. Sorry disregard its bullshit and was not meant to
be posted.!
25 or 6 to four@purple rock do no more.com |
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